Solid Axle Questions
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:06 pm
I’ve got a fresh can of juicy worms to open, so I hope all the birdies have an appetite.
56D has stock landing gear for a 1952 model. She also has (for now) original hollow aluminum axles, and an opportunity to buy ski axles came up, so I snagged them. The airplane is in the middle of the first annual now, and I’m replacing a lot of the hardware in the airframe, so replacing the axles means new attachment hardware. As long as I own the airplane, she will never see skis and will never see anything larger than a 6.00x6 tire. I fly plenty from all surfaces save for stuff that one actually needs big rubber for, but mostly off of fair condition asphalt and unmanicured grass.
Looking in the IPC, there is an difference in bolts called out for ski planes versus wheels, AN for wheels and NAS for skiplanes. Again, while I won’t ever install skis, my inner monologue is screaming at me to use NAS hardware since the axles will be considerably stronger. I’m sure the AN hardware is plenty strong, but after an interesting read through a post a while back from Gary Hanson differentiating AN/MS/NAS hardware, I am left with a few more broad questions than I have answers. I’m sure dimensionally the clearances for the holes are the same for the hollow axles versus the ski axles and the reason for calling out the difference in the IPC is solely for the difference in tensile strength of NAS hardware versus AN.
Looking up the NAS bolts, they’re internal wrenching heads…does this seem right given that AN bolts will have a six-point head? Is there a service kit anywhere that specifies that if ski axles are to be used then one must use NAS hardware? I’m mostly looking for a concrete answer to give to my IA. I’d hate for the weak link to be the attachment hardware.
If that can of worms didn’t hit your satiety center, I’ve got another one.
I’ve had a PPonk bracket sitting on a shelf for over a decade that the gentleman to whom my father sold the airplane bought. I may be picking the fly you-know-what out of the pepper here, but I’m changing the dynamics of strength throughout the gear leg system and I’m now considering that the beef up bracket might not be a bad idea. Again, I’m never going to do anything hard on the airplane, but beefing up the axle transfers “weakness” in the system to the leg and the retention bolt. I have already decided that I can make solid arguments either way about putting the beef up bracket in, but I’d like to hear some other voices than mine discuss. I do not plan to install lady legs or 180 gear as I genuinely love the stock soft gear legs. A full 3/4 of my 36 laps around the planet have involved flying this airplane and I’ve already decided that I don’t want to change the things I like about the airplane and am used to, chiefly the wing and the gear legs. Maybe I’m turning into George in my old age, but the fact of the matter is the airplane does what I need it to do perfectly and I have several outlets for 170s with fun mods when the mood strikes. I’m keeping this old girl my “old man, law of primacy” machine, but I simply want to ensure I’m approaching repairs and upgrades with the requisite amount of caution so as to not induce another failure down the road.
Thanks for listening!
Ryan
56D has stock landing gear for a 1952 model. She also has (for now) original hollow aluminum axles, and an opportunity to buy ski axles came up, so I snagged them. The airplane is in the middle of the first annual now, and I’m replacing a lot of the hardware in the airframe, so replacing the axles means new attachment hardware. As long as I own the airplane, she will never see skis and will never see anything larger than a 6.00x6 tire. I fly plenty from all surfaces save for stuff that one actually needs big rubber for, but mostly off of fair condition asphalt and unmanicured grass.
Looking in the IPC, there is an difference in bolts called out for ski planes versus wheels, AN for wheels and NAS for skiplanes. Again, while I won’t ever install skis, my inner monologue is screaming at me to use NAS hardware since the axles will be considerably stronger. I’m sure the AN hardware is plenty strong, but after an interesting read through a post a while back from Gary Hanson differentiating AN/MS/NAS hardware, I am left with a few more broad questions than I have answers. I’m sure dimensionally the clearances for the holes are the same for the hollow axles versus the ski axles and the reason for calling out the difference in the IPC is solely for the difference in tensile strength of NAS hardware versus AN.
Looking up the NAS bolts, they’re internal wrenching heads…does this seem right given that AN bolts will have a six-point head? Is there a service kit anywhere that specifies that if ski axles are to be used then one must use NAS hardware? I’m mostly looking for a concrete answer to give to my IA. I’d hate for the weak link to be the attachment hardware.
If that can of worms didn’t hit your satiety center, I’ve got another one.
I’ve had a PPonk bracket sitting on a shelf for over a decade that the gentleman to whom my father sold the airplane bought. I may be picking the fly you-know-what out of the pepper here, but I’m changing the dynamics of strength throughout the gear leg system and I’m now considering that the beef up bracket might not be a bad idea. Again, I’m never going to do anything hard on the airplane, but beefing up the axle transfers “weakness” in the system to the leg and the retention bolt. I have already decided that I can make solid arguments either way about putting the beef up bracket in, but I’d like to hear some other voices than mine discuss. I do not plan to install lady legs or 180 gear as I genuinely love the stock soft gear legs. A full 3/4 of my 36 laps around the planet have involved flying this airplane and I’ve already decided that I don’t want to change the things I like about the airplane and am used to, chiefly the wing and the gear legs. Maybe I’m turning into George in my old age, but the fact of the matter is the airplane does what I need it to do perfectly and I have several outlets for 170s with fun mods when the mood strikes. I’m keeping this old girl my “old man, law of primacy” machine, but I simply want to ensure I’m approaching repairs and upgrades with the requisite amount of caution so as to not induce another failure down the road.
Thanks for listening!
Ryan