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Wondering what to expect

Postby 3958v » Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:32 pm

I know I need to be careful here not to start a political discussion. It appears as though our potential next president has his primary residence about 8 nm from the airport I am based at. just wondering what we can expect as far as airport closures. New garden is a vibrant GA airport just across the state line from Wilmington DE. Please no political comments. Bill K
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Re: Wondering what to expect

Postby johneeb » Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:46 am

Bill,
During the time President Obama was in office he very seldom visited his home in Chicago, so the VIP TFRs were infrequent.
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Re: Wondering what to expect

Postby 170C » Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:36 pm

I wouldn't worry about it.
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Re: Wondering what to expect

Postby canav8 » Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:59 pm

In Hawaii, Obama made a sanctuary on the east side of Oahu so no one could fly or boat anywhere near the east side of the island. One of the biggest hazzards in my opinion. Even airline traffic has to approach the island from the south now. This is an indefinite procedure. D
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Re: Wondering what to expect

Postby Richgj3 » Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:02 pm

Depends. As pointed out most recent ones don’t visit their homes. It’s the vacations that cause the most TFR headaches. Mr.Trump is in Florida in the winter and New Jersey in the summer, usually weekends. These TFR’s are not as draconian as they used to be, but if your airport is in the “inner core”, no flying.

As we come closer to the election, more TFRs will pop up around the country due to the current President campaigning. We on Long Island deal with the Trump New Jersey TFR most weekends. We are not in it, but going west we have to deal with it one way or another. Last week he came to LI for a fund raiser and that shut our airport down from 5pm until mid night or so.

I agree that if Mr. Biden is elected he would probably not be spending time at his personal residence.

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Re: Wondering what to expect

Postby 3958v » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:22 pm

Rich. I hope you are right. In the past he had a reputation for returning home a lot. Bill K
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Re: Wondering what to expect

Postby Richgj3 » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:08 pm

The main reason I think that is because his personal residence is probably not secure from a secret service standpoint. Trump’s golf club properties lend themselves to security better than his mid town Manhattan home. Talk about a mess when he did turn up there. A TFR was the least of the problems.

As an aside, when Biden was a senator his wife Jill was still teaching and living at their home. When Biden became VP, the President of Northern Virginia CC knew she would probably move to DC so he offered her a job. She ended up working there in the English Department with my sister.
They would have department meetings and rotate through the member’s homes. As a result my sister got to visit The Observatory, the VP residence. When Mr. Biden appeared my sister said “you have a beautiful home” to which he replied “Thank you, But it’s just public housing.”

Best of luck. I hope your impact is minimal.
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Re: Wondering what to expect

Postby GAHorn » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:21 pm

There are permanent (apparently) TFRs /Prohibited areas at both the Dallas and the Crawford Tx homes of GW Bush. Very little impact on most operations, but gotta wonder why one is a low-altitude TFR (which is actually not “temporary”) and the other Prohibited airspace. Reports are actually that he spends most of his time in Dallas and little time at Crawford ...yet the airspace designation seems reversed.
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Re: Wondering what to expect

Postby 3958v » Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:56 am

interesting. I have given up trying to make sense of government regulations. So far I am surprised at how small the restrictions are around his house 1sm and 1000agl. Hope it stays that way. Bill K
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Re: Wondering what to expect

Postby counsellj » Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:27 am

Yet a chair lift passed directly over Pres Ford's house in Colorado, at the ski resort.
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Re: Wondering what to expect

Postby GAHorn » Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:56 am

counsellj wrote:Yet a chair lift passed directly over Pres Ford's house in Colorado, at the ski resort.


Was that while he was a “sitting” President? :lol:
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Re: Wondering what to expect

Postby johneeb » Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:07 pm

Would the chair lift over Ford's house been above the upper limit of a TFR?

Where there TFRs when Ford was president?
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Re: Wondering what to expect

Postby counsellj » Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:05 pm

johneeb wrote:Would the chair lift over Ford's house been above the upper limit of a TFR?

Where there TFRs when Ford was president?


I don't know. Was never there then.
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Re: Wondering what to expect

Postby Bruce Fenstermacher » Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:09 pm

counsellj wrote:
johneeb wrote:Would the chair lift over Ford's house been above the upper limit of a TFR?

Where there TFRs when Ford was president?


I don't know. Was never there then.

When Ford President, actually prior to 911, Presidents only got a 3 mile TFR where ever they were.

I enjoyed several low level flights through DC prior to 911. It was shocking how close one could get to the White House. I also had many flights into DC after 911 flying MedEvac as I was exempt, but the level of security, lack of good low level communication with ATC and the pressure to not screw up such as accidentally squawking VFR and loosing your license, job and career, made the pressure so high, it was not enjoyable. I miss flying MedEvac immensely, I do not miss having to fly MedEvac into every Presidental TFR in our area.
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Re: Wondering what to expect

Postby GAHorn » Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:18 pm

The old “river approach” to DCA Rwy 18 involved a very close maneuver to the White House. Did it many times. The departures northbound also required an early turn to the West. (Florida 19 just came to mind as the turn certainly raised their stalling speed when they could ill-afford it.)
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