C170 CFI Needed in KS

[Joshmo]

Hello - I just closed on my first aircraft purchase and my family will now be the caretaker of a 1949 170a model.

Avemco is requiring me to get one hour of dual with a CFI current in a 170. The aircraft is in Garden City, KS (I am in Idaho) and I am having a hard time finding a CFI that can help out. I scanned the sticky post of CFI's but it seemed to be from several years ago. Any help would be highly appreciated!

Thanks in advance!
Josh

[CurtM]

There aren't a lot of tailwheel CFI's out in the area, unfortunately. You can check with Julian Bixenman out of Colby, Kansas, or Travis Lattin out of Beloit, Ks. Not positive on Julian, butI know Travis has a Cessna 180 and am not sure about his time in a 170. (Julian https://www.greatplainssprayinginc.com/)(Travis https://www.beloitks.org/airport)
Curt

[GAHorn]

Are you certain Avemco requires the CFI to exceed FAR requirements? (iE, current in 170s..? Just because an insurance representative or agent MISundertands the FARs does not equate to the written insurance policy.

A CFI does not have to be “current” in the model aircraft to provide instruction to a certificated pilot,….he only has to be rated in category and class. Therefore, I believe a CFI qualified in any single-engine tailwheel (such as a 180) is authorized to instruct in a 170….or any other single engine conventional-gear aircraft.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/c ... /subpart-H

[Joshmo]

There aren't a lot of tailwheel CFI's out in the area, unfortunately. You can check with Julian Bixenman out of Colby, Kansas, or Travis Lattin out of Beloit, Ks. Not positive on Julian, butI know Travis has a Cessna 180 and am not sure about his time in a 170. (Julian https://www.greatplainssprayinginc.com/)(Travis https://www.beloitks.org/airport)
Curt

Thanks for the lead, Curt!

Josh

[Joshmo]

Are you certain Avemco requires the CFI to exceed FAR requirements? (iE, current in 170s..? Just because an insurance representative or agent MISundertands the FARs does not equate to the written insurance policy.

A CFI does not have to be “current” in the model aircraft to provide instruction to a certificated pilot,….he only has to be rated in category and class. Therefore, I believe a CFI qualified in any single-engine tailwheel (such as a 180) is authorized to instruct in a 170….or any other single engine conventional-gear aircraft.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/c ... /subpart-H

I may call back, as I thought the exact same thing after I got off the phone with them. They definitely require me to get 1 hr in the model, but she did not seem confident when telling me (in hindsight) that the CFI needed specifically to be 170 current. I'm glad you responded with the same questioning.

Thanks!

[Joshmo]

Are you certain Avemco requires the CFI to exceed FAR requirements? (iE, current in 170s..? Just because an insurance representative or agent MISundertands the FARs does not equate to the written insurance policy.

A CFI does not have to be “current” in the model aircraft to provide instruction to a certificated pilot,….he only has to be rated in category and class. Therefore, I believe a CFI qualified in any single-engine tailwheel (such as a 180) is authorized to instruct in a 170….or any other single engine conventional-gear aircraft.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/c ... /subpart-H

GAHorn, well, I called Avemco back and they confirmed the CFI had to be current on a 170 and not just TW, for their purposes. On a positive note, I may have found one that can possibly help. If not, I may hang a sign around my neck while I'm working at Osh all week, looking for any takers!

[GAHorn]

Are you certain Avemco requires the CFI to exceed FAR requirements? (iE, current in 170s..? Just because an insurance representative or agent MISundertands the FARs does not equate to the written insurance policy.

A CFI does not have to be “current” in the model aircraft to provide instruction to a certificated pilot,….he only has to be rated in category and class. Therefore, I believe a CFI qualified in any single-engine tailwheel (such as a 180) is authorized to instruct in a 170….or any other single engine conventional-gear aircraft.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/c ... /subpart-H

GAHorn, well, I called Avemco back and they confirmed the CFI had to be current on a 170 and not just TW, for their purposes. On a positive note, I may have found one that can possibly help. If not, I may hang a sign around my neck while I'm working at Osh all week, looking for any takers!

Soo…. Ask Avemco “How does a CFI get “current”….unless Avemco Insures the CFI IN MY 170… while making his 3 takeoffs and landings…??”

(Hint to All CFI’s: Make CERTAIN you are “ADDITIONAL NAMED INSURED” when teaching in a customer’s aircraft.)

[dstates]

If you were closer to IL I'd help you out. I have family in east central KS so I've been there, but it is no short flight from where I'm at.

I offered to help ferry a 170B for a gentleman, but since all my 170 time is in a 170A model he was very adamant that his insurance wouldn't cover me. They specifically wanted 170B currency. That just doesn't make sense to me. But what do I know????

[johneeb]

...............I offered to help ferry a 170B for a gentleman, but since all my 170 time is in a 170A model he was very adamant that his insurance wouldn't cover me. They specifically wanted 170B currency. That just doesn't make sense to me. But what do I know????

It is all about the dihedral or is it the way the cowling closes?

[GAHorn]

If you were closer to IL I'd help you out. I have family in east central KS so I've been there, but it is no short flight from where I'm at.

I offered to help ferry a 170B for a gentleman, but since all my 170 time is in a 170A model he was very adamant that his insurance wouldn't cover me. They specifically wanted 170B currency. That just doesn't make sense to me. But what do I know????

Again, I’m questioning the knowledge/expertise of an insurance agency employee who doesn’t actually know FAR’s and underwriting.