POH C-170a recent actualization?

[juasiel123]

I have received a request from the aviation authorities in Mexico (DGAC) to present them the new actualization of the POH of my 1950 C-170a. What does not seem right, since up to my knowledge there have been only one POH publication and is the original one that was done in the 50's. However the DAGC directives, say that they have allready checked on cessna website and found that there is a new update of the POH.

Does any one know anything about these? since I have been looking all over and have no luck.

I need to get the update of the POH in order to present it to the autorities or any oficial document that might say that there is no Cessna 170a POH update or actualization.

Any idea?

Thanks in advance.

Juasiel

[Robert Eilers]

You might try going to www.cessna.com scrolling through to their Propeller aircraft customer service hotline phone number and give Cessna a call.

[Bruce Fenstermacher]

Just searched Cessna's site and found a PDF with a listing of all the up to date publications. In this publication on page 22 is a list of current POHs since 1976. There is no new POH listed here for the Cessna 170. So that tells me there has been no change to the 170 POH since at least 1976.

Here is the link I looked at free: https://support.cessna.com/custsupt/pro ... jsp?pg=197

You might want to show the Mexican authorities this and ask them what they are talking about.

[mit]

I wish we would be more accurate and not call them a POH. There is a Flight manual and and owners manual of which only the flight manual is required. But that is just me.

[Bruce Fenstermacher]

Technically I was being correct Tim. According to the list I saw at the Cessna site there was no POH or an update to a POH issued recently by Cessna for the 170 and that was the question. Many of us know that Cessna has never, to our collective knowledge, issued a POH for the 170 series.

There was no list of Flight Manuals or Flight Manual up dates at the Cessna site so one could assume Cessna hasn't updated that document either.

[GAHorn]

I have received a request from the aviation authorities in Mexico (DGAC) to present them the new actualization of the POH of my 1950 C-170a. ...
I need to get the update of the POH in order to present it to the autorities or any oficial document that might say that there is no Cessna 170a POH update or actualization.

Any idea?

Thanks in advance.

Juasiel

Juasiel, as you have just read, there is no "POH" for any of the Cessna 170 models. There HAS NEVER been a "POH". (Pilots Operating Handbook)

In current terminology, a POH is an approved document on modern aircraft. In previous decades the FAA did not require a POH for every model, as they do presently. The regulations do not require Cessna to retroactively issue a POH for aircraft no-longer in production, therefore there will likely NEVER BE a "POH" for this model.

I suggest you contact DGAC and request they specifically identify which Cessna publication they believe you should provide to them. The ONLY "approved" publications which provided the information and limitations to pilots is the AFM (Airplane Flight Manual), which you can download from this website free, or which you may obtain from Cessna publications for a fee.
The only other document in which DGAC might be interested is the most-recent revision of the Type Certificate Data Sheet (A-799), which can also be downloaded here, or from the FAA website.

Revision 54 is the most current:
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_an ... ight=a-799

[juasiel123]

I have received a request from the aviation authorities in Mexico (DGAC) to present them the new actualization of the POH of my 1950 C-170a. ...
I need to get the update of the POH in order to present it to the authorities or any official document that might say that there is no Cessna 170a POH update or actualization.

Any idea?

Thanks in advance.

Juasiel

Juasiel, as you have just read, there is no "POH" for any of the Cessna 170 models. There HAS NEVER been a "POH". (Pilots Operating Handbook)

In current terminology, a POH is an approved document on modern aircraft. In previous decades the FAA did not require a POH for every model, as they do presently. The regulations do not require Cessna to retroactively issue a POH for aircraft no-longer in production, therefore there will likely NEVER BE a "POH" for this model.

I suggest you contact DGAC and request they specifically identify which Cessna publication they believe you should provide to them. The ONLY "approved" publications which provided the information and limitations to pilots is the AFM (Airplane Flight Manual), which you can download from this website free, or which you may obtain from Cessna publications for a fee.
The only other document in which DGAC might be interested is the most-recent revision of the Type Certificate Data Sheet (A-799), which can also be downloaded here, or from the FAA website.

Revision 54 is the most current:
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_an ... ight=a-799

Thanks for the info to you all and you are right gahorn,, there is no POH.
I call to the main DGAC office at Mexico City, thinking that they could be talking about the AFM instead of the POH and they were mistaken, they were talking about another manual and now there is another problem. I presented previously to them, the 100 series 1963 & prior Maintenance Manual, that bought last year at spruce and the DAGC are rejecting it, because they say that is not up to date. So Email them the PDF file my friend N9149A shared (thanks) and said that I need it to get a letter or an email from cessna saying that there is no recent update on these manual... can you believe that???

I have 2 years now working to get my publicity permit and after showing to them every document they requested, I mean everything, all you could imagine, (even my dog's birth certificate),,, ,,,,,, they now say that I have to get a letter form cessna precisely, saying that my particular manual is up to date or that there is no recent update,, ..... Now, I don't know were to request this.

Do you think Cessna might do this?....
Any way,, I have a video that I would like to share with you all... hope you enjoy it.
There is my cell phone number in case you some time in the future fly to baja. It is a beautiful scenery.

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Juasiel

[jrenwick]

....I presented previously to them, the 100 series 1963 & prior Maintenance Manual, that bought last year at spruce and the DAGC are rejecting it, because they say that is not up to date. So Email them the PDF file my friend N9149A shared (thanks) and said that I need it to get a letter or an email from cessna saying that there is no recent update on these manual... can you believe that??? ....

This makes no sense to me, because the 100 series manual does not mention the 170 types. This manual is not even written for our airplanes! We all realize that most of the material for the early 172 applies to the 170B, but the problem is that you've got to know something about these types in order to know what parts of the manual to use. If the DAGC are being such sticklers for correctness and up-to-dateness, why would they even consider this manual as a relevant document?

[Robert Eilers]

Some one explain to me how I can get the FAA to allow me to strap loud speakers to the struts of the Sheriff's aircraft. I would love to fly over Oakland blasting The Flight of the Valkyries - probably only get away with it once - but, it might be worth it. After all - it is a damn war zone down there!

[Bruce Fenstermacher]

Juasiel,

If you look at the same PDF I provided you will see that indeed there has been some updates to the 100 series service manual. In fact I noted that Cessna now says the 100 series service manual covers the years 1953 to 1963. That of course is interesting to me because I know it doesn't mention anything earlier than 1956 specifically though lots of information does apply.

But in your case you have a 1950 A model. This by Cessna's description is not covered by this 100 series manual.

Perhaps the fix for you is to buy the three updates to the service manual. The PDF gives a phone number to call to order them and says each update cost $9. You might also just go ahead and get the manual the updates are specifically written for which is also listed. This may or may not be the exact same manual you've already bought but this one would be coming from Cessna. That way you can provide to the authorities every current manual Cessna might offer that they think you should have. All to many times jumping through bureaucratic hoops makes no sense at all.

[GAHorn]

Let me re-summarize: The 1953-1963 manual does not apply t o your airplane. There are NO manuals which have been updated which apply to your airplane. Therefore DGAC should be advised that no updates have been issued since the manuals you have already submitted which apply to your airplane. (Note the difference between what I just wrote and what you state DGAC has stated: There IS a more recent revision of the "100 Series Service Manual, 1962 and Prior"... and you can purchase that from Cessna. HOWEVER....there is NO NEW INFORMATION in that manual which applies to your aircraft.

[juasiel123]

Let me re-summarize: The 1953-1963 manual does not apply t o your airplane. There are NO manuals which have been updated which apply to your airplane. Therefore DGAC should be advised that no updates have been issued since the manuals you have already submitted which apply to your airplane. (Note the difference between what I just wrote and what you state DGAC has stated: There IS a more recent revision of the "100 Series Service Manual, 1962 and Prior"... and you can purchase that from Cessna. HOWEVER....there is NO NEW INFORMATION in that manual which applies to your aircraft.

Precisely my dear gahorn, the only reason why I presented this manual as the maintanence manual for the 1950 C-170a is because the stubborn people at the DGAC were saying that I must have a maintenance manual. The only thing that saved me at the moment was that on the back page (or some were inside)of the 100 series manual I presented, was printed that it could be used as a reference service manual for the C-170. So like I said, I bought mines last year at spruce and was the 100 series model 1962 and prior, so that covers the 1950 and on the PDF file does not come any update for this manual. Do you really think that is worth buying the 2 updates that comes on the PDF file even that they do not apply to my model? in the other hand,, there are only 9 dollars, not to expensive I might say and is a cheap way to end up with the discussion with DGAC fellows

[Bruce Fenstermacher]

Juasiel,

I could go on for hours with stories of how much money the company I work for has wasted to comply with ridiculous requirements of the FAA. I'm sure George could trump my stories in spades. And the two of us together wouldn't scratch the surface of the amount of stories that could be told.

If you can buy these updates, even if the pages were blank, and the updates satisfy your authorities and it cost less than $100, you are way ahead of the game. it may not seem that way but believe me you are.

[juasiel123]

Juasiel,

I could go on for hours with stories of how much money the company I work for has wasted to comply with ridiculous requirements of the FAA. I'm sure George could trump my stories in spades. And the two of us together wouldn't scratch the surface of the amount of stories that could be told.

If you can buy these updates, even if the pages were blank, and the updates satisfy your authorities and it cost less than $100, you are way ahead of the game. it may not seem that way but believe me you are.

That make sense N9149A and you are completly right. OK, question,,,, I notice on the PDF file of cessna that there is an update for the parts catalog made in 1995, if I go ahead and buy a brand new copy at spruce or any other place, could this parts catalog come up to date or still would have to order the update made in 95 separate?

[Bruce Fenstermacher]

OK first generally speaking unless you buy the manual from Cessna, you are buying a reprint of a Cessna manual. Spruce, Univair and ESSCO sell reprints. What you get is a reprint of what ever revision they have. I doubt if they keep them up to date. For most of us pilots this is good enough for our reference.

But I assume you are using your aircraft for a commercial purpose and have to answer to higher standards. The same would be true here in the US. The mechanics that work on our aircraft are required to have all the manuals and updates available.

So I would recommend that you buy your manuals only from Cessna and then you know what you have, a genuine manual. Since you have already bought some manuals from Spruce you could look at the revision of that manual then call Cessna and buy all the updates. Or to keep things simple and be able to prove the manuals are authentic buy the manual and updates from Cessna. This goes for what ever manuals, maintenance or parts the authorities want you to have.