Should be a Law Against This
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- W.J.Langholz
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Should be a Law Against This
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W.
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1942 Stearman 450
1946 Super Champ 7AC
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1942 Stearman 450
1946 Super Champ 7AC
- sfarringer
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Re: Should be a Law Against This
At least it still has two wings, a round engine, and roll-up windows.
But what were they thinking when they put that monstrosity under the nose????????
But what were they thinking when they put that monstrosity under the nose????????
Ragwing S/N 18073
Re: Should be a Law Against This
It's not so bad... It looks like it was manufactured so that when it is correctly turned-over it wouldn't contact/hurt the nosewheelpant.W.J.Langholz wrote:...this is TERRIBLE! ...W.
(At least Beech retracted the gear, which should have been done to this thing.)
'53 B-model N146YS SN:25713
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
Re: Should be a Law Against This
Well, it USED to be a perfectly good plane. What a shame.
Richard Dach
49' A Model N9007A
SN 18762
49' A Model N9007A
SN 18762
Re: Should be a Law Against This
sfarringer,
You asked "What were they thinking-----"
They were thinking "All right, you SOB, let's see you ground loop this one!"
P.S. Note round engine with mandatory oil spot on floor.
You asked "What were they thinking-----"
They were thinking "All right, you SOB, let's see you ground loop this one!"
P.S. Note round engine with mandatory oil spot on floor.
BL
- cessna170bdriver
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Re: Should be a Law Against This
It's a crime against nature to put a nosewheel on a biplane. That's all I have to say about that...
Miles
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— Thomas Browne
“I envy no man that knows more than myself, but pity them that know less.”
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- sfarringer
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Re: Should be a Law Against This
Believe it or not, Waco actually designed it this way. (Waco N series, they didn't make very many.)LBPilot82 wrote:Well, it USED to be a perfectly good plane. What a shame.
Ragwing S/N 18073
- sfarringer
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Re: Should be a Law Against This
I bet you're right!!blueldr wrote:sfarringer,
You asked "What were they thinking-----"
They were thinking "All right, you SOB, let's see you ground loop this one!"
P.S. Note round engine with mandatory oil spot on floor.
And it's just marking it's territory
Ragwing S/N 18073
Re: Should be a Law Against This
It ain't leakin' oil!!!!!
That's just SWEAT from makin' all that horsepower!!!!
That's just SWEAT from makin' all that horsepower!!!!
Richard Dach
49' A Model N9007A
SN 18762
49' A Model N9007A
SN 18762
Re: Should be a Law Against This
I'm sympathetic to what WACO was trying to do with this. 80% of my flight hours are in tailwheel types, and I've never damaged an aircraft I was flying (been lucky a few times!). I briefly tried giving primary instruction in my 170, and I've given up on that idea for good. If the student owns the airplane, that's one thing. But if a student wants to learn to fly with me, I'm going to encourage him or her to find someone with a tricycle gear aircraft to learn in. It's so much an easier path to the license, and a safer one. Yes, a tail wheel makes you a more skilled pilot -- but let the student build some hours before trying it. Although tricycles won't do some of the fun things I do with tail-draggers, there's a good reason most aircraft have nose wheels.
A friend of mine was giving instruction to a 170 owner. They caught a gust, the airplane bounced, and when it came back down, the student was standing on the brakes. The airplane went on its back immediately, and was destroyed. No injuries, fortunately. But my friend observed that the instructor is pretty helpless in this situation. Hitting the brakes is such a natural reflex in a panic, and it's hard to pull their feet back off the pedals. (The student and his partners replaced the 170 with a 172, which my friend thought was a very good decision for them.)
One local instructor who does tailwheel endorsements prefers to do that work only in aircraft with heel brakes, because they're much harder to stand on. I think that's very smart.
I'm absolutely addicted to tail-draggers, but we should never forget that we're taking chances that tricycle gear pilots aren't.
A friend of mine was giving instruction to a 170 owner. They caught a gust, the airplane bounced, and when it came back down, the student was standing on the brakes. The airplane went on its back immediately, and was destroyed. No injuries, fortunately. But my friend observed that the instructor is pretty helpless in this situation. Hitting the brakes is such a natural reflex in a panic, and it's hard to pull their feet back off the pedals. (The student and his partners replaced the 170 with a 172, which my friend thought was a very good decision for them.)
One local instructor who does tailwheel endorsements prefers to do that work only in aircraft with heel brakes, because they're much harder to stand on. I think that's very smart.
I'm absolutely addicted to tail-draggers, but we should never forget that we're taking chances that tricycle gear pilots aren't.
John Renwick
Minneapolis, MN
Former owner, '55 C-170B, N4401B
'42 J-3 Cub, N62088
'50 Swift GC-1B, N2431B, Oshkosh 2009 Outstanding Swift Award, 2016 Best Continuously Maintained Swift
Minneapolis, MN
Former owner, '55 C-170B, N4401B
'42 J-3 Cub, N62088
'50 Swift GC-1B, N2431B, Oshkosh 2009 Outstanding Swift Award, 2016 Best Continuously Maintained Swift
Re: Should be a Law Against This
Excellent Advice John. I have found it easier to fix mistakes then teach primary as well. I will teach primary as a favor to someone but otherwise I teach transition. It is also alot less stressful as I am getting older. I have also found that it is easier to teach Helicopter pilots and Glider pilots believe it or not. Dougjrenwick wrote:I'm sympathetic to what WACO was trying to do with this. 80% of my flight hours are in tailwheel types, and I've never damaged an aircraft I was flying (been lucky a few times!). I briefly tried giving primary instruction in my 170, and I've given up on that idea for good. If the student owns the airplane, that's one thing. But if a student wants to learn to fly with me, I'm going to encourage him or her to find someone with a tricycle gear aircraft to learn in. It's so much an easier path to the license, and a safer one. Yes, a tail wheel makes you a more skilled pilot -- but let the student build some hours before trying it. Although tricycles won't do some of the fun things I do with tail-draggers, there's a good reason most aircraft have nose wheels.
A friend of mine was giving instruction to a 170 owner. They caught a gust, the airplane bounced, and when it came back down, the student was standing on the brakes. The airplane went on its back immediately, and was destroyed. No injuries, fortunately. But my friend observed that the instructor is pretty helpless in this situation. Hitting the brakes is such a natural reflex in a panic, and it's hard to pull their feet back off the pedals. (The student and his partners replaced the 170 with a 172, which my friend thought was a very good decision for them.)
One local instructor who does tailwheel endorsements prefers to do that work only in aircraft with heel brakes, because they're much harder to stand on. I think that's very smart.
I'm absolutely addicted to tail-draggers, but we should never forget that we're taking chances that tricycle gear pilots aren't.
52' C-170B N2713D Ser #25255
Doug
Doug
- Bruce Fenstermacher
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Re: Should be a Law Against This
So I'm glad to hear you thought that attempt was easy Doug. bounce bounce bounce aaaaawwwwcanav8 wrote: I have also found that it is easier to teach Helicopter pilots.....believe it or not. Doug
Actually one thing that I learned and relearned and learned once again flying with Doug but would and could easily happen flying with anyone teaching, is that you shouldn't have any expectations of the capability of the pilot being taught. I tend to be drawn into this trap rather easily flying with folks I've watched fly other aircraft and assume way to much.
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Re: Should be a Law Against This
I helped one helicopter pilot transition to tailwheel (he already had a fixed-wing rating). Without being told, he stayed active on the rudder pedals all through the roll-out. He caught on very quickly, partly because he already knew what his feet were for.
John Renwick
Minneapolis, MN
Former owner, '55 C-170B, N4401B
'42 J-3 Cub, N62088
'50 Swift GC-1B, N2431B, Oshkosh 2009 Outstanding Swift Award, 2016 Best Continuously Maintained Swift
Minneapolis, MN
Former owner, '55 C-170B, N4401B
'42 J-3 Cub, N62088
'50 Swift GC-1B, N2431B, Oshkosh 2009 Outstanding Swift Award, 2016 Best Continuously Maintained Swift
Re: Should be a Law Against This
Teaching primary is tough, all right. I'm in the process of teaching my 15-year-old son to fly the 170. Like all kids he learns fast, but it took a lot longer for him to make decent landings than I thought it would. One day I realized that was because I wasn't letting him land the airplane. Every time he got close to the ground I'd pull the yoke or push the rudder, so he never learned anything. Once I got over my fear of heading for the weeds he made much quicker progress!