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Re: Baffling resource for C-170

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:34 am
by mongo2
I bought a set of Airforms B model baffling (used) for my A model, due to the fact the the original baffling was junk I had modified the firewall heater valve and added the interior B model ducting\plenum as well. I also went to a B model Hanlon wilson muffler setup, and updated the carb heat elbow setup . The B model airforms baffling had to be modified as well by trimming the aft "bulkhead" as well to fit the profile of the A cowling. It was a bit of work, but fits well. I replaced all the stock cowl latch parts that were worn or weak. The cylinder side baffling only needed a bit of modification on one side to fit correctly. All this work was done during a complete, and I do mean complete restoration, which finally was completed after 7 years, and was test flown in August this year. After reviewing the video from the go pro out the windshield, there was no buldging or shaking in the upper cowl during all phases of flight. Having said that, I would concur with Bruce's concern of changing to a pressure cowl, and the issue with the latches. I had considered using the camloc addition setup seen in various threads, and now considering the possibility of latch failure under the new "pressure" , I will and would recommend an additional saftey method to secure the A model latches.
As far as cooling is concerned, during the 1st 1.5 hrs of break in, per continental SB, the chrome cylinders never even got to 400 f (rear aft cylinder)and the oil peaked at 235 and then dropped back . Oil consumption was 1/2 qt during 1.5 ,( some was blown out of breather, started with 7 qts) and second flight of 1.5 hrs was about the same. Using F&M oil filter adapter. Also have Bartone exhaust pipes as well.
What you get is improved cooling (per cessna), no doghouse to rub on and wear the upper cowl, (mine needed repair from just that) less parts and full access to the top of the engine with the side cowls open. I do not however have any reference of temps before the mod , as I bought the aircraft as a project in pieces and restored it. My 2 cents...

Rick

Re: Baffling resource for C-170

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:28 am
by oldtrucksrule
All, Thanks for all the great input! I'm going to likely order the '49 part, powder coated as suggested.

Re: Baffling resource for C-170

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:21 am
by GAHorn
The matter of converting an early style to an "ad hoc" later pressure type can be complicated. If one changes-out the entire outer cowl and uses all the baffles from that type, such as the intercylinder and cylinder-base baffles,...to the point where it is identical to later pressure cowls, then it's probably OK.

But the matter of using airframe/cockpit instruments such as cylinder head temps to determine if an ad hoc system keeps the engine within temperature limits is not very legitimate, IMO. A CHT gauge tells the temp at the cyl head., but it does not tell the barrel temps. And most only sample one cylinder. And it's unlikely to have been calibrated properly for the purpose.

I'm trying to say that changing it out to the point where it "looks good" and the CHT gauge does not complain is hardly a valid method of assuring the engine is being properly cooled without hot-spots.

Re: Baffling resource for C-170

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:21 am
by GAHorn
The matter of converting an early style to an "ad hoc" later pressure type can be complicated. If one changes-out the entire outer cowl and uses all the baffles from that type, such as the intercylinder and cylinder-base baffles,...to the point where it is identical to later pressure cowls, then it's probably OK.

But the matter of using airframe/cockpit instruments such as cylinder head temps to determine if an ad hoc system keeps the engine within temperature limits is not very legitimate, IMO. A CHT gauge tells the temp at the cyl head., but it does not tell the barrel temps. And most only sample one cylinder. And it's unlikely to have been calibrated properly for the purpose.

I'm trying to say that changing it out to the point where it "looks good" and the CHT gauge does not complain is hardly a valid method of assuring the engine is being properly cooled without hot-spots.