The International Cessna^® 170 Association

Miles, I'm sure you are aware, but the fuel selector placard is available, or was the last time I checked, painted (?) on a new metal item that you are likely planning to apply your placard. Your placards or decals are oviously quite adequate and a lot less expensive ($40.00-$50.00 last time I checked) than the entire new item. Way Aero was the source.

The only required placards are in the TCDS, STC or ADs that apply to the aircraft.

Miles,
What kind of black on clear sheet are you using with your inkjet?

Sure, please send me your contact info to my email.

onegreatpilot@gmail.com

nippaero wrote:Miles,
What kind of black on clear sheet are you using with your inkjet?

Mike, it's Avery # 18665. I seem to remember finding it at my local Staples.

cessna170bdriver wrote:

nippaero wrote:Miles,
What kind of black on clear sheet are you using with your inkjet?

Mike, it's Avery # 18665. I seem to remember finding it at my local Staples.

Thanks!!

sreeves wrote:Just out of curiosity, I rechecked the type certificate and didn't see the requirement for the one you spoke of and I see on your card about the flaps. "Flaps-Pull to extend" duh!?? I wonder what you do to retract them??? It doesn't say "push button and slowly lower handle to retract". How do we operate our airplanes safely without this well thought out FAA guidance? But seriously, is the flap placard required also?

Required placards are listed in the AFM and TCDS. As to flaps, the req'd placard instructs to PULL to deploy flaps, and then displays the degree of flaps for each "notch" applied. Interestingly, the 10-degree notch is not listed in the AFM copy I have.

There is a cautionary note not to slip the B model with flaps deployed in the Owner's Manual, but it's not a req'd placard...ALTHOUGH IT CERTAINLY SHOULD BE A REQUIRED PLACARD.

So where does that flap placard go on the airplane?

The cautionary note decal (2); one should be placed right in the center of the forehead, the other where it can't be missed.

sreeves wrote:So where does that flap placard go on the airplane?

On the flap handle was the factory location.

OK good thanks. I thought all required placards were listed on the Type Data Certificate.

My operation manual says it is for the Cessna 170A which is what I have. It has a picture of a 170 in front of a terminal building on the cover. I have not been able to find the flap placard in question in my manual. Nor does it mention the trim (nose up/nose down) placard. The TDC only lists the fuel and operational normal/utility category placards. If anyone has a flap placard and/or a trim placard in their A model, could you take a picture of it and its location in your airplane? I would appreciate it.

The manual on page 49, does state certain items to be carried in the airplane at all times, one of which is a CAA approved flight manual. Is that not what I have or is there another manual for the "A" model?

Thanks as always for the help guys.

Hey guys, I just saw an old post from Bruce about the only existing approved flight manual (2 pages). I downloaded it. It has a section labeled 'PLACARDS". It only lists the Normal/Utility Category operations, the Baggage limit, and Fuel placard. So I am assuming those are the only required placards in an "A" model.

And special thanks to Bruce for having those documents on the forum!

Steve

No you assume wrong Steve.

First, as you figured out the book with the picture on it is not approved. It is a marketing tool. It has good info and in some cases it is the only place you will find specific information. But it is not and never will be regulatory. The 2 page AFM is approved by the CAA/FAA and is one document required to be in your aircraft at all times of operation.

Required placards are found in these places other than the AFM. The Type Certificate Data Sheet (TCDS), any required by supplements to the TCDS which are called STCs, any required of field approvals, and last, any required of Airworthiness directives (ADs).

A student of the 170 model line might note that for the '48 and the 170A the placards required of the AFM are exactly the same as those required of the TCDS. However the B model AFM has the additional flap placard which the TCDS does not. So only B models require the flap placard. Sometimes students of the model forget the B model flap placard detail.

And as George so rightly pointed out, the missing, and not yet required, B model flap placard is the one that has likely killed a few people. DO NOT under any circumstance, slip your B model with flaps deployed to the 40° (full) position. The possible resulting horizontal stabilizer/elevator stall and subsequent rapid and immediate pitch nose straight down may not be recoverable.

sreeves wrote:According to the type certificate for the "A and B" model, the placard that says "the airplane must be operated as a normal or utility category airplane....", etc. must be displayed in front of and in clear view of the pilot. For those who actually have that placard displayed, all two of you...just kidding, can you give me an idea of where you have it mounted or displayed? Thanks