Replace rudder return springs?

[Kyle Wolfe]

Yep - cables replaced at same time.

I do need to check on Johneb's reply though about setting the rudder cables. I'm sure my IA said he set the tension. Maybe they've been set too tight? Got to go look at the service manual tomorrow (assuming the 170 rudder setting is the same as the 100 series).

[GAHorn]

The only "tension" for rudder cables..... IS THOSE SPRINGS! (They are not interconnected.)

[Kyle Wolfe]

Confirmed with my IA today that he's adjusted the rudder cables correctly - even pedals and straight rudder.

His question/concern is that the rudder hits the stops long before the rudder pedals bottom out. There are no rudder pedal stops. He's wondering if undue pressure is being placed on the cables. Is this a possible cause of the early cable fraying?

I'm going to the hanger tonight to review the manuals....argh.

[Brad Brady]

His question/concern is that the rudder hits the stops long before the rudder pedals bottom out.
I'm going to the hanger tonight to review the manuals....argh.

Kyle,
That's what the springs are for.....Brad

[Kyle Wolfe]

Thanks Brad. Guess I need to ask him the obvious question "Are there rudder springs in there?!"

[Brad Brady]

Thanks Brad. Guess I need to ask him the obvious question "Are there rudder springs in there?!"

Kyle,
Well aparently they are there....the funny thing about Cessna is that if the rudder cables arn't draging on the Belly and the rudder is hitting the stops, there good to go....there's no tention setting for rudder cables......Brad

[c170b53]

The rudder system travel limit is determined by the rudder stops there's no other restraint of the input in the system other than the base of the pedals. That's why you'll find the occasional crack in the longitudinal bulkhead where the pedals / rudder torque tubes are attached. The crack is sometimes found in the bulkhead, in and around the rudder torque tube bearing block attach holes.

[Kyle Wolfe]

Sorry, but I want to be clear....Do you guys agree that the rudder stops can hit on the rudder prior to the rudder pedals bottoming out? This creates a more tension on the rudder cables, agree?

Or should the rudder pedals bottom out at the same time as the rudder stops?

My mechanic is of the opinion that the rudder has hit the stops and the rudder pedals are continuing past that point while turning, causing the excess cable tension.

[GAHorn]

There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that the rudder bottoming-out upon the rudder limits will overstress those cables or cause any failure of the cables. (Those cables have a 7-THOUSAND pound ultimate load limit each.)

The rudder should hit the stops before the pedals are limited.

[Kyle Wolfe]

Thanks George! Just a bad break I guess.