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Miles I just located a choice seasoned piece of vintage 1"ID square tube this morning in anticipation you would require a tool. Would your prefer a 3/8 or 1/2 drive?

N9149A wrote:Miles I just located a choice seasoned piece of vintage 1"ID square tube this morning in anticipation you would require a tool. Would your prefer a 3/8 or 1/2 drive?

Choice, seasoned, and vintage: just like me and '98C. 1/2 drive if you please. That'll fit my foot-pound torque wrench without an adapter. Crosswind gear parts are fit into a 1 cu. ft. box and will be in 98C's baggage compartment this evening.

cessna170bdriver wrote:... I figure there must be good reasons new airplanes and cars don't come with generators anymore...

Of course! My new Jeep has a 160-Amp Alternator! Because it has two electric fans which continue to run for up to 10 mins even after the engine is shut off, a 12Amp blower motor, with 4 electric valves just for airconditioning, over 32 incandescent lamps, 6 of which run continuously, and remain on even after the engine is shut down, 5 electric windows, an electric-motor-powered anti-skid brake system which remains armed even with the engine shut down, 2 electric wiper systems, two electric washer systems, electric powered mirrors, and electrically heated aft windshield, two computers, and an ignitions sytem with an electric fuel pump....and much more... all of which require a 680 A/H battery which must be re-charged.
It's much lighter and smaller to have a 160 A alternator than generator.

And that alternator failed in less than 30K miles, costing almost $900 plus labor, and a 3 day backorder for a rebuilt replacement.

My 35A Delco generator has over 10 years on it without a problem. The previous one failed due to an improperly-installed mod which proved unnecessary. (radio condenser) It also had 10 years on it. In 55 years there is only one other recorded replacement of that generator, and that was at a scheduled engine-change.

Yes, all that response is "over the top". I'm not really anti-alternators. They have advantages/disadvantages just like generators. But they are usually installed because owners misunderstand their electrical systems and It's simpler for today's "parts replacers" to sell an expensive alternator "upgrade" than it is for them to understand how reliable and simple to repair a generator system is.

gahorn wrote:

cessna170bdriver wrote:... I figure there must be good reasons new airplanes and cars don't come with generators anymore...

Of course! My new Jeep has a 160-Amp Alternator! Because it has two electric fans which continue to run for up to 10 mins even after the engine is shut off, a 12Amp blower motor, with 4 electric valves just for airconditioning, over 32 incandescent lamps, 6 of which run continuously, and remain on even after the engine is shut down, 5 electric windows, an electric-motor-powered anti-skid brake system which remains armed even with the engine shut down, 2 electric wiper systems, two electric washer systems, electric powered mirrors, and electrically heated aft windshield, two computers, and an ignitions sytem with an electric fuel pump....and much more... all of which require a 680 A/H battery which must be re-charged.
It's much lighter and smaller to have a 160 A alternator than generator.

And that alternator failed in less than 30K miles, costing almost $900 plus labor, and a 3 day backorder for a rebuilt replacement.

My 35A Delco generator has over 10 years on it without a problem. The previous one failed due to an improperly-installed mod which proved unnecessary. (radio condenser) It also had 10 years on it. In 55 years there is only one other recorded replacement of that generator, and that was at a scheduled engine-change.
Yes, all that response is "over the top". I'm not really anti-alternators. They have advantages/disadvantages just like generators. But they are usually installed because owners misunderstand their electrical systems and It's simpler for today's "parts replacers" to sell an expensive alternator "upgrade" than it is for them to understand how reliable and simple to repair a generator system is.

The important change for me was to operate at night. Students on cross country and overall visability during the day with lights on. Battery would never have time to charge with a generator. YMMV Doug

GAH, you bought a Chrysler product

cessna170bdriver wrote:Per F&M's advice, I retorqued the adapter in place this evening and got the leak slowed way down, but the copper crush washer is still seeping a bit too much for my comfort. The new gasket and washer should be here tomorrow (Wednesday) so I'll get 'em changed out before I leave.

Well, the new gasket and washer are installed, and no leaks this time. The hardest part was the safety wire, as usual. (Three times is a charm, they say. ) Now my attention turns to the weather...

Your 4 point 1/2" drive american made socket is completed Miles.

Is this the cover to the Owner/Instruction manual for the square drive oil filter socket?

N9149A wrote:Your 4 point 1/2" drive american made socket is completed Miles.

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I like it; cant beat American Made! It looks like I'll have to include it in the weight and balance for the return trip. If someone has a torque wrench at the forum, and we have time, maybe we can check the torque on my adapter.

N9149A wrote:Your 4 point 1/2" drive american made socket is completed Miles.

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Yes...that looks like a square! (I guess it's futile to hope I'll be gifted one of those sockets aftr that comment....)

170C wrote:GAH, you bought a Chrysler product

We've owned FIVE Chrysler products and never had a problem with any of them. My last Jeep had over 300K miles when it was rear-ended by a Class A motor home.

I've had good Ford trucks, too.

Don't ask how I feel about the GM products we've owned. (But I'd rather have GM than foreign.)

"Buy American and keep your neighbors employed....so they won't have time to break in and steal YOUR stuff!"

Toyotas made in Texas and Kentucky, GMs made in Canada, Fords made in Mexico, Hondas made in Ohio - there is no such thing as a "foreign" or "domestic" cars anymore. (Oh, and by the way, Chrysler is now an Italian company!)

lowNslow wrote:Toyotas made in Texas and Kentucky, GMs made in Canada, Fords made in Mexico, Hondas made in Ohio - there is no such thing as a "foreign" or "domestic" cars anymore. (Oh, and by the way, Chrysler is now an Italian company!)

That is incorrect, IMO. The difference is where the money goes! Ford/GM bank in the U.S. (When I bought Chrysler they were still banking in US...don't know what their future holds.... the Germans pretty well got the products hooked-on-drugs anyway.)

The money goes to the stock holders, and all the public traded car companies are traded on the U.S. stock exchanges.

Well George, thanks for letting me off easy I had an idea I would catch a lot of crap for making the Chrysler comment. One of the best company cars I had (21 or 22 over 41 yrs) was a 2001 Dodge Intrepid. I was really not a happy camper when our company changed from Ford Taurus' to the Dodges, but after driving it for a couple of weeks I wouldn't have traded. When it got the required milage/3 yrs on it and was to be replaced I was wishing for another one. Unfortunately they were back to Taurus'. I bought the Dodge for my misses and never had any problems with it until she totaled it Last co car was a short timer (4-5 months) and was a Dodge Magnum station wagon. Couldn't say I liked it, but only because it was a sw. Ran good, good road car although hard to see out of, but was a great hauler in lieu of a pickup At one time I was a FORD man through & through. Never had much of a problem with them, and have owned several GM products with mixed results (better on personal ones than company ones). We are currently a "foreign" vehicle family, excluding Cessna, with B having a Kia Optima that has been trouble free and the little V6 preforms great. I just purchased a 2010 Toyota Tacoma so we'll see how it holds up.