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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:22 am
by pdb
blueldr wrote:A question for pdb. ----- If you were flying the trench which at 400 sm is well within the normal range of a C-170 (A or B) in still air, you would have no reason to slow to 88 mph for fuel conservation. If you were bucking a headwind that was eating into your fuel mileage, 88 mph would surely be the wrong thing to do.
I don't see what advantage 88 mph would be other than to save fuel in a tailwind. Enlighten me!
Randal is right...its to give me more options (read more range) in the event of adverse, unforseen weather. You do that by flying just a bit faster than best glide (max L/D). My back of the envelope flight testing suggest that best L/D is about 88. That figure seems to be generally consistent with the tables in the POH.

Your right about the headwind, slowing up is the wrong thing. I would speed up at least about 1/2 of the headwind over best glide. In a 20 mph headwind I would fly no less than 98 mph. (88 +1/2(20).

In a tailwind, I would slow up but no slower than min sink. Unfortunately I don't know what minimum sink (-0- power) is so its a bit academic for me at this point.

Unortunately my 170 is a lot slower than many because I have big tires, bubble windows, and an 80/40 prop. That knocks quite a bit off my normal cruising speed so the whole issue of range become a bit more serious. Gas is not always available along the route so getting half way before turning back can increase the excitement factor more than I like.

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 2:12 am
by GAHorn
pdb ....sounds like you need to find a Javelin tank set up. :wink:

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:06 am
by pdb
gahorn wrote:pdb ....sounds like you need to find a Javelin tank set up. :wink:
George:

I would love to find one. Any ideas where I should start looking?

Pete

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:49 pm
by GAHorn
From time to time they show up for sale in The Flypaper, and the salvage yards sometimes have them. If you find one, let me know. I have the installation drawings, etc.
O & N sells their baggage aux tank set up, which is very similar, but I believe it is STC'd for the 172...not the 170. A field approval or one-time STC would be req'd. The beauty of the Javelin kit is that no further basis of approval is necessary, as it is approved by Type Certificate A-799.