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Upper door frame headliner brackets

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:45 pm
by Poncho73
OK I'm installing a new headliner in my 48 and have removed the old non-original ceiling panels. The previous owner removed and discarded the support rods, no problem, welding rod is on order....but what's worse is he discarded the two left and right upper door frame headliner brackets/channels. I do not have a part number for them and can't seem to find them in the parts book. Would anyone have the details on these two pieces. Thanks

Re: Upper door frame headliner brackets

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:18 pm
by GAHorn
I suspect you mean, 170 IPC, Pgs 30 & 31, Fig 16, Item 35, PN 0511153.
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170 IPC Pg 31.JPG

Re: Upper door frame headliner brackets

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:22 am
by Poncho73
Yes George, thanks your correct again :D Next question, do you know where I can get a set. Thanks

Re: Upper door frame headliner brackets

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:44 am
by spduffee
I was curious so I googled the part number. Broadie's has them for $514 8O . These are probably like the instrument bezels that cost more than Gold because they're no longer produced and not in demand. Could it be that they are essentially the same part as in later models, 172's, etc?

Re: Upper door frame headliner brackets

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:49 am
by GAHorn
These are likely best obtained from a salvage airframe.

Re: Upper door frame headliner brackets

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:34 am
by Poncho73
I figured a crazy $ number like that. I know where there are two on a damaged 170 airframe but I don't have the heart to ask the owner if he would part with them.....yet. I will look around, thanks all

Re: Upper door frame headliner brackets

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:01 pm
by mike roe
On my 52 the headliner retainer strips were also in bad shape. I fabricated new left and right sides and also rear strip aft of hat shelf. Tedious cutting the teeth but not bad. Enclosed are some not to good pictures.
Mike

Re: Upper door frame headliner brackets

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:54 pm
by mike roe
It was a combination of both. I have some more pics somewhere showing the process I will post when I find them. Its a good job to do on a warm day with the doors open and a cold adult beverage.

Re: Upper door frame headliner brackets

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:08 pm
by Bruce Fenstermacher
Mike,

The seats have similar teeth but bigger. And while redoing my seats this past fall I couldn't help but wonder how I'd use a church key (can opener) to replicate them.
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A quick write up and maybe pictures how you make these would be great for here and the 170 News.

Re: Upper door frame headliner brackets

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:13 pm
by Poncho73
Thanks guys, that is great work Mike.....Bruce, didn't we used to open beers with those old can openers??

Re: Upper door frame headliner brackets

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:51 pm
by Bruce Fenstermacher
Poncho73 wrote:....Bruce, didn't we used to open beers with those old can openers??
Well I opened them for my Dad and Uncles with a church key but the pull off tabs (remember them) were in fashion by the time (even under age) I was consuming beer.

Re: Upper door frame headliner brackets

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:58 am
by spduffee
This is why I love being a member of this group! Turn a an impossible $500 problem into a simple fix with some aluminum and a can opener. Priceless!

Re: Upper door frame headliner brackets

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:17 pm
by Bruce Fenstermacher
spduffee wrote:This is why I love being a member of this group! Turn a an impossible $500 problem into a simple fix with some aluminum and a can opener. Priceless!
Glad your inspired. Looking at parts and wondering what to do about them and then seeing that someone else fabricated them is a good sign that perhaps you can do the same. I didn't mean to imply I used the can opener to make teeth but I was envisioning how it might be done. I'm thinking a punch in the shape of the V struck by a hammer on the material placed on a hard block of wood with a receiving indent in it. Or maybe a small press is used instead of the hammer.

This is why it would be great to see pictures of the tools and methods Mike used then we can duplicate or "enhance" his method.

Re: Upper door frame headliner brackets

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:44 am
by spduffee
I didn't think you would really attempt to do this with a can opener. I just respect the no nonsense approach many take to solving problems. I guess the need and talent to improvise is something anyone who purchases a 63 year old plane needs to have. Now, if I could figure out a way to fabricate an oil sump out of an old Coca Cola can....

Re: Upper door frame headliner brackets

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:48 pm
by mike roe
Here is where the Church Key is used. On the new door seal attach channels. These also had numerous teeth missing over the years.