The International Cessna^® 170 Association

I need an interior placard kit for my 170B. I found one from AreoD-Cals and one from MoodyAero. Both are pricy at $60.00 for 2 pages. Does anyone know if one is better than the other?
jc

I used part of the Moody one and found it to be good quality. I also bought a Brother labelmaker, a good one, and it's just great.

I have the shipping lable maker and sticky lables, that I can make any placard for any aircraft and make it look right.

Design the placard, print it on my computer printer, stick it in the aircraft and clear coat it.

Seems like there's not too much required for a 170 in the way of interior placards. TCDS has what's needed re: baggage weight limit & approved manuevers / limits. Maybe appropriate labels for the fuel selector also.
I just made a photocopy of that page of the TCDS,clipped out the placard parts, & scotch-taped them in place on the lower panel & the baggage area upholstery. Cheap but effective. Tom's label-maker would be a better option,but remember,the text of the required placards is in the TCDS. Plus whatever might be required by modifications (electric fuel pumps,etc).

Eric

It's true you get a lot of extra non usable stuff with the Moody kit as it's put together to cover all sorts of 170's and 172's. My layout is not stock either so the Brother was used to label circuit breakers and switches etc. A lot depends on how nice you want it to look. I wanted real nice so it was worth it to me to get the Moody for the large placards and whatever else I could use to make it look professional. And I picked it up* for $40.

I printed mine out on the computer in the size and type print I wanted. I took them to our local print shop and they reverse printed them (white print on black background) on the sheets of address label paper (the slick kind with peel off back stick on). I cut them out, stuck them on the panel, and clear coated them with matt finish spray on model paint. They look like they came from the factory.

Harold H
Mbr# 893

Since we started talking about making our own placards. Does any one know if there is a FAR regarding the size of the font required in a placard.

I made a placard once and made it kind of small to fit a space. He didn't like it cause he though it was to small. I said it meet the requirement and challenged him to show me a FAR that specified the size of a font in a placard. My placard is still there.

According to the TCDS,the normal & utility limitation placards "must be displayed in front of and in clear view of the pilot". The baggage placard "must be displayed in the baggage compartment". No size or font mentioned.
I assume any other required flight limitation placards--elctric fuel pumps,hydraulic wheel ski's,etc--must also be in front of & in clear view of the pilot. I don't know how the FAR's read.

Eric

OK, I'm an idiot (and my wife often proves it). What's TCDS?

I too have the typewriter font on cardboard taped to the glovebox and want to update and make my placard look nice.

Kyle

Type certificate data sheet, It's basically the birth certificate of all 170's, you can view it in the members section. I have a copy with my test flight papers from 1948.

In my opinion,every 170 owner oughta have a copy of the TCDS,along with the IPC (Illustrated Parts Catalog) and the Continental C-145/O-300 parts & overhaul manuals.
Kyle,suppose you wanted to get rid of the 600x6 tires on your 170,and install 800x6 tires. Is it legal? Do you need a field approval? Or an STC? Look on the TCDS--item 202-C sez 800 x 6 tires (4 ply) are already approved. Just put them on & make a logbook entry. The TCDS also has W&B limits & charts,flight limitations,etc.

Eric

Great resource! I had not printed this out.

I was wondering just what my placard needed to be. If I understand the TCDS correctly, my placard is wrong. I stoped at the hanger tonight and here's what the placard on my 53 C170B says:

This airplane must be operated as a normal category airplane incompliance with operating limitations stated in the form of placards, markings, and manuals. No acrobatic manueauvers including spins approved.
Flaps up +3.6 -1.52
Flaps down +3.5
Maximum design weight 2550 pounds
Reference weight and balance for loading

Both tanks on for take off and landing.

This airplane must be operated as a normal or utility category airplane in compliance with the Airpland Flight Manual.

As I read Note 2 A on page 14, all I need is what's shown under Models 170A and 170B:

This airplane must be operated as a normal or utility category airplane in compliance with the Airpland Flight Manual.

Normal.....

Utility....

Both tanks on for takeoff and landing.

Correct? Like I said, I want to replace the old typewritten one and want it to be correct. Appreciate your help.

Kyle

The placard wording in the TCDS is the one to go with. Of course,legally you're supposed to have a copy of the AFM (approved flight manual) on board the aircraft. The AFM is seperate from the owner's manual,POH,& TCDS. I think maybe the AFM is downloadable from the website here? If not,the Assn has copies for sale for like a buck. The ragwing A & B have seperate AFM's if I'm correct.

Eric

I was able to get the operating limitation and flap decals from Cessna by referring to the part #. The flap decals are only a couple of bucks, but the part#s have been superceeded, so I think I might be getting stickers instead of decals. The Operational Limits decal was $27.00. A little pricey, but since I am doing a restoration and trying to stay as close to original as possible, I sprung for them.
jc