Original Paint schemes

[AWilson]

Seems like there is alot of continuing debate on what the original colors are. I mean at least what a modern code is. If I am mistaken please advise as I would like to have those for the interior colors especially. My exterior is polished with red accents. Looks like insignia red but who knows. I will continue to inquire about that. My question is I cannot seem to find the actual accent markings layout. Is there a reference for that? Mine is a 49 year. I want to know if my exterior finish would judge well. I figure if there was a drawing of where striping etc is supposed to be then I can do some comparison measuring. If I am lucky enough to find that mine is a correct layout then it will help me decide how far I want to go with my interior colors as far as originality. I will post a picture soon.

[GAHorn]

DId you see the excellent thread on the ‘48 year model Bruce Posted in Mx LIbrary? : viewtopic.php?f=31&t=9358

(Remember…. back then, no vertical registrations were on the fuselage side …. Registrations were painted beneath left and above right wings)

[Bruce Fenstermacher]

We only have a few actual Cessna paint drawings. We are at the mercy of folks looking through their logs and finding these treasures and sending us a copy.

[Bruce Fenstermacher]

Our documentation shows a few, shall I say variances from factory delivery. The red '48 with the registration numbers on the side is one as George pointed out, that is not where the registration numbers where originally found on any model of 170. But otherwise the red '48 we picture is otherwise right and the best example photo we have of a red '48. If someone who has an original red '48 would document their aircraft in photos and send them to us or place them in the forum. We'd have better examples.

[n2582d]

Guys,
As far as I know he is not thinking about going retro. He’s got a 1949 C-170A.

[GAHorn]

Guys,
As far as I know he is not thinking about going retro. He’s got a 1949 C-170A.

We were just seeing if anyone was paying attention…..

I don’t know why I got started out on ‘48 model when he plainly said it was a ‘49-A model….

‘49-A model thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=9361

The most original A model was probably Steve Jacobsons…. won numerous awards from TIC170A as well as AirVenture ever since he completed the restoration in 2008. It now lives just west of FTW.

Here’s his ‘50 A-model at Branson:

[n2582d]

The '50 paint scheme is close to the '49 design. Close but no cigar. Chris Shaw at Del-Air (559-784-9440) restored Jacobsen's (Jacobson's?) 1950 C-170A. It would be great to get the paint design drawings from him entered in our MX Library. But Wilson is not looking for a 1950 paint scheme, he's looking for a 1949 paint scheme. Looking at the MX Library I see that the drawing number for the 1952 170B is 0500012 and the 1953 170B is 0500013. This progression doesn't follow with the 1954 model (drawing # 0500015) or the 1955 model (drawing #0500025) but it could be that the 1949 paint scheme is found on drawing # 0500009. I'd give Cessna Tech Support a call to see if they could help: 1-316-517-1700 or piston_support@txtav.com. Here's a picture of N9559A. You might email John Kinyon for paint drawings of this award winning 1949 C-170A … except that this 1949 model appears to me to have a 1950 paint scheme. Our photo documentation of the '49 model is rather poor. Several years ago, when looking through the archives at Stanford, I found the April 1949 issue of Skyways magazine has the 1949 C-170A on its front cover. Note that the wingtips are unpainted.

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Regarding the interior "Silver French Grey" color, Steve Jacobsen (Jacobson?) gave George a sample of this color years ago.

[AWilson]

Here is a picture I took yesterday.
The underside of the wings is painted an aluminum color from the spar back . I assume to lessen the. upside down polishing. And yes, it is a 49. Basically I want to decide if this was judged how it would fair. Looks to me like the fin top should be polished. Wing tips are painted too. Obviously I can fix that pretty easily. But just because the lines look like they are in the right places doesn't mean they are. More pic to come.

[AWilson]

More.....
I don't know why they are posting sideways.

[AWilson]

Hey how about this picture. It came with the mountain of stuff I got when I bought the plane a couple of weeks ago. It is a laminated actual phot (because I can feel the thick edge under the lamination) of a 170A. In front of the Cessna Aircraft Co.office! Maybe it is a actual Cessna promotional photo? Reason I am saying this is because it shows some so called "Businessmen" standing there with briefcases. I believe they tried to promote it that way back then.

[AWilson]

It shows the thin stripe transition to wide when going over the top. No top of fin or horizontal tip painted but the wing tips were. Wheel paints are all red less the thin polished area. The 170 logo is there. and the unpainted stripe goes to and around the nose bowl. No underside of wing N number

Maybe sometime in 49 they transitioned to what is considered to be the 50 scheme?

If there are any other promo pictures maybe we can match some of the guys in the pictures. Then we know it is a Cessna picture.

[johneeb]

Ya think all four of those guys got in the airplane with their luggage? They must have been going to the other side of town. Probably weight and balance papers they are looking at.

[AWilson]

Now that I am aware of the MX library I see that you already have this picture posted there.

[AWilson]

Looks like I got a 50 paint scheme on my 49. Unless they transitioned to it during the 49 build. Among other things the front big curve on mine is more pointed instead of the flowing curve on an original.

[ghostflyer]

In my humble opinion Cessna didn’t suddenly change the colors and interior as the year ticked over. It’s some times what the new owner ordered and paid for . I have seen an original sales docket stating “Owners request “. naturally it was at extra dollars. I have seen a green striped aircraft in New Zealand and That was the original paint which a special log input by Cessna had been made . The interior was a burnt orange and appeared standard . Unfortunately the aircraft was destroyed by the CAA as it appeared abandoned in the grave yard. The rudder is now still flying on my aircraft . I was on an adventure trying to find parts in my part of the world when I was rebuilding my project. The engine of that aircraft was very much seized and airframe was just a corrosion lump.