Does anyone here have any experience with solid axles ?
Are the later model hollow axles breaking off ? Why would a normally operated 170 need solid axles ?
Solid aluminum axles (used) sell for $175 each. I'd be willing to buy them if there was a reason.
Rudy
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russfarris
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HI Rudy, from what I understand the hollow axles will develop cracks, even in normal use, from fatigue and corroision. The guy who owned my airplane before took the hollow axles to US Air's mx shop and had them x-rayed. BOTH of them were badly cracked - one almost completely around.
He replaced them with a set of solid aluminum axles, thank goodness.
Another one of our pilots had some excitement and major fun with the FAA when a hollow axle broke on his 1948 170. I'll search the NTSB database for more axle mayhem.
If it was my airplane, I would absolutely get the solid aluminum axles! The solid steel ones are major overkill, at least for the way you and I operate our airplanes, right Rudy? See you, Russ Farris
He replaced them with a set of solid aluminum axles, thank goodness.
Another one of our pilots had some excitement and major fun with the FAA when a hollow axle broke on his 1948 170. I'll search the NTSB database for more axle mayhem.
If it was my airplane, I would absolutely get the solid aluminum axles! The solid steel ones are major overkill, at least for the way you and I operate our airplanes, right Rudy? See you, Russ Farris
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zero.one.victor
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I believe there were 2 types of hollow axles,aluminum & steel (aluminum=bad,steel = good), as well as solid aluminum axles (good).
Are the solid steel axles now available a Cessna part,or aftermarket? I think maybe they're intended for ski use,I guess that's pretty tough on the axles. I remember hearing that the gear-leg failures that almost resulted in an AD (for ALL Cessna taildraggers) all involved gear-legs with a history of ski use.
Eric
Are the solid steel axles now available a Cessna part,or aftermarket? I think maybe they're intended for ski use,I guess that's pretty tough on the axles. I remember hearing that the gear-leg failures that almost resulted in an AD (for ALL Cessna taildraggers) all involved gear-legs with a history of ski use.
Eric
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funseventy
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I will backup the broken gear leg story. On skis for many years can result in the gear leg cracking at the top pair of bolt holes. The airplane doesn't hold up well when this happens.
I have to say, I don't know about solid steel axles. Never even heard of them. Solid aluminum is plenty good for a 170 or early 180 even on skis.
Kelly
I have to say, I don't know about solid steel axles. Never even heard of them. Solid aluminum is plenty good for a 170 or early 180 even on skis.
Kelly
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rudymantel
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Russ, I'm convinced. I'm ordering two solid aluminum axles. They're part number 0541124-1. (without the -1 they're the later model hollow ones)Specialty Aircraft sell them (used) for $175 each.
Expensive, but a lot less than if an axle breaks.
Fraineia, just remove the wheel's hub cap and stick a screw driver into the axle. If it slides in, it's hollow. If it stops just after the large nut, it's solid.
Rudy
Expensive, but a lot less than if an axle breaks.
Fraineia, just remove the wheel's hub cap and stick a screw driver into the axle. If it slides in, it's hollow. If it stops just after the large nut, it's solid.
Rudy
Rudy, before you do, call or write Lee Buddle from AIRFRAMES INC. Big Lake AK 907-892-8244 or http://www.supercubs.com or info@supercubs.com
He manufactures steel ski axles that are PMA'd, STC, etc. For about the kind of money you are looking at for "used" solid aluminum. Solid aluminum may be adequate, but thick steel axles are better and that's why bush pilots and 180/185 dirvers go that route. We all have days where we don't see a drift or hole, get a ski caught in a rut, bad x-wind or just plain back luck. So, why not go with what can make a difference. My 2 cents. JD
He manufactures steel ski axles that are PMA'd, STC, etc. For about the kind of money you are looking at for "used" solid aluminum. Solid aluminum may be adequate, but thick steel axles are better and that's why bush pilots and 180/185 dirvers go that route. We all have days where we don't see a drift or hole, get a ski caught in a rut, bad x-wind or just plain back luck. So, why not go with what can make a difference. My 2 cents. JD
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zero.one.victor
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Rudy,my two cent's worth re: JD's comments:
I'm sure that solid aluminum axles are plenty adequate for your operations,but I'd think twice about buying a used part for what a brand new part would cost you. Not to bad-mouth Specialty,they don't necesarily know the history of what they sell,but you might end up with a set of solid aluminum axles that have been subjected to abuse: sunk in a lake,extensive ski operations,immersed in salt water while parked on a beach,who knows?
I don't know the weight difference,that might be a factor,but otherwise I think I'd want to go with new over used.
Eric
I'm sure that solid aluminum axles are plenty adequate for your operations,but I'd think twice about buying a used part for what a brand new part would cost you. Not to bad-mouth Specialty,they don't necesarily know the history of what they sell,but you might end up with a set of solid aluminum axles that have been subjected to abuse: sunk in a lake,extensive ski operations,immersed in salt water while parked on a beach,who knows?
I don't know the weight difference,that might be a factor,but otherwise I think I'd want to go with new over used.
Eric
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rudymantel
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Rudy,
For what its worth, I agree with JD. For $76 more per axle you could have bought the Airframes Inc. FAA PMA STEEL axle from Aircraft Spruce which re-sells them cheaper than Airframes does (list $325 ea.). These are thick walled hollow axles, not solid steel. You will never see a 180 with the solid aluminum axles. Why? Because the steel ones are better. It is intersting to note that the installation of Aero Skis M-3000 or Gar Aero tires requires this axle installation. As for the weight difference, it's only 2 lbs or so, well worth the trade for strength and durability.
Bruce
For what its worth, I agree with JD. For $76 more per axle you could have bought the Airframes Inc. FAA PMA STEEL axle from Aircraft Spruce which re-sells them cheaper than Airframes does (list $325 ea.). These are thick walled hollow axles, not solid steel. You will never see a 180 with the solid aluminum axles. Why? Because the steel ones are better. It is intersting to note that the installation of Aero Skis M-3000 or Gar Aero tires requires this axle installation. As for the weight difference, it's only 2 lbs or so, well worth the trade for strength and durability.
Bruce
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funseventy
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Bruce,
That statement might be a little strong. Remember all the places you've seen me go with my 180 on ski's and Gar-Aero's? That was solid aluminum you saw doing that work. I put on a lot of ski and Tundra tire installations in Alaska, you'd agree and most 180's were running solid aluminum unless the owner had changed them out. Anything a 170 gets into will be fine on a set of new solid aluminum axles.
I've been working a lot on the interior of my 170 and I am shocked at how flimsy the floor is in comparison to my old 180. There is no hiding the fact that a 170 is a lighter duty airplane than a 180, and I feel I use mine as hard as anyone.
I'm not saying steel is bad, but I think its crazy to think the solid aluminum axle are bad.
Kelly
That statement might be a little strong. Remember all the places you've seen me go with my 180 on ski's and Gar-Aero's? That was solid aluminum you saw doing that work. I put on a lot of ski and Tundra tire installations in Alaska, you'd agree and most 180's were running solid aluminum unless the owner had changed them out. Anything a 170 gets into will be fine on a set of new solid aluminum axles.
I've been working a lot on the interior of my 170 and I am shocked at how flimsy the floor is in comparison to my old 180. There is no hiding the fact that a 170 is a lighter duty airplane than a 180, and I feel I use mine as hard as anyone.
I'm not saying steel is bad, but I think its crazy to think the solid aluminum axle are bad.
Kelly
Kelly,
Well I should have known not use the word "never". I thought 180's came out of the box with steel axles, thanks for the update. I didn't mean to imply that solid aluminum axles were "bad", but given the choice, for a few more bucks, wouldn't you rather put the steel axles on? What axle type are you running now?
Bruce
Well I should have known not use the word "never". I thought 180's came out of the box with steel axles, thanks for the update. I didn't mean to imply that solid aluminum axles were "bad", but given the choice, for a few more bucks, wouldn't you rather put the steel axles on? What axle type are you running now?
Bruce