What place has the highest concentration of 170s?

[GAHorn]

Time for another debate on keeping cost down. How about an E copy for those who would rather have that than a paper copy? It would have to save some money.

I use both electronic AND paper copies. I would still want a paper copy for the times/places I don't have my computer handy.

[doug8082a]

Time for another debate on keeping cost down. How about an E copy for those who would rather have that than a paper copy? It would have to save some money.

I use both electronic AND paper copies. I would still want a paper copy for the times/places I don't have my computer handy.

Ditto.

[cessna170bdriver]

Time for another debate on keeping cost down. How about an E copy for those who would rather have that than a paper copy? It would have to save some money.

A large portion of the printing costs of the directory is subsidised by donations. Every person whose business card appears in the back has donated at least $10 to defray costs. Also listed in the back are those who donated without sending a card. (Unfortunatlely I procrastinated too long, and I wasn't among them this time. ) Another cost saving measure is the fact that the directories are only published every OTHER year.

Miles

[Bruce Fenstermacher]

I just cant get enough. Or I have more time than I know what to do with on a cold cold PA day.

I just downloaded the Canadian aircraft registry and pulled all the 170 info out of it like I did with the FAA registry.

Here goes. There are 287- 170s registered to 322 owners. Thats right the Canadian data has all the partners listed an easy to get to with a relational data base.

About 241 of these 170s are not owned by TIC170A members.

Here is the breakdown of 170s per providence or territory. The second number is the number of TIC170A members are in that area and last the percent of 170's owned by TIC170A members.

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    British Columbia - 80,	26	33%
             Ontario - 73,	27	37%
             Alberta - 62,	19	31%
        Saskatchewan - 35,	5	14%
              Quebec - 32,	5	16%
            Manitoba - 28,	6	21%
                Yukon - 5,	2	40%
          Nova Scotia - 4,	3	75%
Northwest Territories - 2,	1	50%

Here is a breakdown of the number of individual models and there count:

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 170B- 198
 170A- 64
 170- 22
 170BX- 2
 170X- 1

You will note there are a total of 3 170s with an X at the end. This is how the Canadians track whether the aircraft is maintained under the owner maintenance rule they have. An x is also added to the end of the serial number. This is different than experimental aircraft.

Here is the breakdown of 170s by year in Canada:

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Removed do to incinsistant serial number and year of manufacturer data. I'll repost if and when i get it straight :(

So between the Canadians who have 287- 170s, and the 2819 in the US and about 15 more in the US registry from outside the US and Canada there is a total of known 170s in the amount of 3121. Our TIC170A records indicate Cessna sold 5136- 170s and they may have manufactured as many as 5171 so there is just over 60% of them left.

[3958v]

Great work Bruce. 60% still around is really great of course many are not airworthy. At my airport 66% of the 170's haven't flown in over 10 years. I believe though they are still on the registry. Bill K

[Plummit]

At my airport 66% of the 170's haven't flown in over 10 years. Bill K

What a shame! Here people like me are looking to buy a 170 and someone else uses his as a hanger-queen. So sad.

regards

~Marc

[GAHorn]

Just because 60% of them have never been reported to the FAA as having been "written off".... doesn't mean that they are really "still around". I know of a half-dozen DC-3/C-47's that are still on the records that were actually cannibalized/scrapped back in the 70's....and their owner still has a bank-loan on them.

[flat country pilot]

3958v wrote:
At my airport 66% of the 170's haven't flown in over 10 years. Bill K


What a shame! Here people like me are looking to buy a 170 and someone else uses his as a hanger-queen. So sad.

regards

~Marc

I hear your frustration. When I was looking for a 170, I went to the FAA database, got the names and then phone numbers of 170s near me and cold called to see if any were for sale. NO WAY, I felt like a telemarketer.

I found three relatively close to me. I know the guys and was sure they hadn't flown in years. They were done flying due to no medicals, but damned if they would ever sell that airplane. "Sell it to me and come fly with me, get back in the air. NOPE." Sad deal. One 170A is still there and was in very good condition when parked, maybe 10 years ago, or more. Watch for the estate auction I guess.

Bill

[flat country pilot]

From Bruce's post above

ND 15 1 7%

I may have to work on this number. ND had two members, who left? I may have to try cold calling again which is finally illegal in ND.

Maybe a letter campaign.

Bill

[hilltop170]

The original question was, What place has the highest concentration of 170s?

I say Iowa or anyone else with a private strip and one 170 gets the prize, the concentration at their place is 100%!

[3958v]

The two 170's at my airport that dont fly are not "Hangar Queens" They have sat outside for many years and would now be unbelivable projects. It would be much cheaper to buy a flying 170 and restore than it would be to restore either of these. I took one of the owners flying in mine once and on returning he to the hangar he asked "How can you pay $xxx.xx for a hangar?" My immediate thought was "its tough but it gets easier and easier each time I taxi by your plane!!!!!!" I can assure anyone that it would be pointless to try to buy either of these two planes as many have tried. Bill K

[Bruce Fenstermacher]

Bill are you talking about the two at New Garden? Both are really a shame. There are others. One sat at our airport for nearly 15 years and only move when the authority wanted to consolidate aircraft in one place.

It was finally bought, what was left of the interior stripped out, brakes, fuel system, controls and ignition rebuilt or inspected then ferried to then next airport where it has sat for three more years.

Another that was bought out from under me when I bought my plane 8 years ago. it went from a hanger to a barn. The current owner will sell it but of course it's one of those rare unobtainium models. He had it listed only in a farm sale paper.

A '48 170, T-craft and what was a very nice 185 sit in a local hanger and haven't seen the light of day for years. Owner doesn't need the money and would rather just keep them. He might play with them some day.

We could all go on and on with stories. I've often wondered why these owners let their aircraft go. Then it nearly happened to me. Having lost my medical I did reluctantly sell my beloved Cherokee but only to a friend who would let me use it. My Cub however was another story. If it weren't for the prodding of several good friends to make the airplane airworthy it came very close to one of those projects someone would find years from now in a barn. Good thing I have good friends and don't own a barn.

I experienced first hand the frustration these owners have and their unwillingness to let go. At first there is hope then they can't even recover their losses. Very frustrating all around.

George there is no doubt that all of the aircraft on the registry can't and may never fly. I was thinking more on the lines I guess, that there is at least some trail as to the where-a-bouts of the airframe.

But if they are on the registry at least there is some hope they exist at the minimum as a data plate somewhere. Aircraft that aren't even listed have probably have a much longer road if ever back to airworthy condition.

[3958v]

They are the two I was refering to. I called about the one in the farm paper but never went to see it. Seemed like it would have been a good canidate for an engine upgrade but I dont have deep enough pockets for that game. Its interesting but thats not the first airplane I have seen advertised in that same farm paper. Bill K

[apex ak]

Here in McGrath Alaska we have 3 170 B'S doesn't sound like much, but we only have 350 people in town.

[Haydon]

Knot to be over the top "Here at Ducote (TS65) San Angelo Tx, we have two 170A's with both belonging to the TIC170A and about 20 folks residing at the airpark..."

Richard.......