What is a "337"?

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What is a "337"?

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N9149A wrote:Bill,

I have L-19 wings but I didn't put them on and it was done under a 337 not an STC. ...
If you ... just had to have the hard points for the rocket pods like mine do, then you may have a valid reason to want to use it on a 170.
I frequently get asked "Do I need a 337?" by callers asking about mods and repairs underway.
This is a major point and one which I'd like to make in the interests of universal edification. I know Bruce knows. I know a lot of you know. But this is an excellent place to say (from a non-lawyer/non-regulator point of view):

A "337" refers to FAA Form 337. This document is required to be completed when any "Major Alteration or Repair" is accomplished and that is the title of the document. One original of the document is kept with the aircraft maintenance records (logbooks) and one original is sent to the FAA in OKC for permanent filing into the FAA records.

The Form 337 has several sections or "blocks".
faa337.pdf
Block "3" of the Form 337 is ordinarily left blank when major alterations and repairs are supported by appproved or acceptable data/methods/materials such as structural repairs documented by the original manufacturer or designee (DAR/DER), or repairs are accomplished according to FAR 43.13, or alterations are performed according to an already approved STC, or the replacement of a Cessna 170B wing with another identical Cessna 170B wing.....on a Cessna 170B.

Block "3" is completed/required to be signed (approved) by an FAA inspector whenever an alteration or repair is made using methods/materials not previously meeting those requirements for that particular airframe, such as the replacement of a Cessna 170A wing/flaps with a L-19 wing/flaps, or alteration of L-19 wing-flaps to 170B flaps, or the installation of rocket pods on a Cessna 170 wing of any model.

When Block "3" is completed, that is commonly referred to as a "Field Approval", which in effect is approval and documentation of a change to that particular aircraft's type design. (The change from one model wing to another would require this unless it were accomplished under the authority of another approval basis such as STC or mfr's service bulletin, etc.) A "Field Approval" is not transferrable to other aircraft, even of the same make/model. Each aircraft so modified will require it's own approval. (The fact that Bruce's 170A is fitted with L-19 wings and B-model flaps does not provide authority to make that alteration to any other Cessna. However, an FAA inspector might accept Bruce's data as a basis for making another identical approval.) He may not.

I'm not an FAA lawyer, but that is a layman's description of what a "337" is and it's purpose. It documents Major alterations and repairs, and if those alterations and repairs are not accomplished according to accepted methods/materials then the alterations/repairs must be approved and Block 3 must be completed.

It is NOT satisfactory to make a major alteration to an airplane with no basis of approval other than what the owner wants and assume it is OK because a "337" talks about it. Form 337's do not of themselves "authorize" anything. They only support documentation, therefore a major alteration is not simply done "under a 337" although that phrase is commonly issued to indicate that the alteration has been documented. Is it approved? That's a different matter.

I once had a Cessna 206 with a whole pile of 337s that the FAA had no record of. There are lots explanations for that sort of thing, everything from "the FAA probably lost it" to "the U.S. mail probably still has it" to "the dog ate it". If an aircraft has a major alteration or repair, unless the 337 is in the aicraft's records then the aircraft's records are incomplete. And unless the work described thereon is acceptable and/or approved it is illegal. A signature of an FAA inspector in Block 3 is an indication that the alteration or repair has been approved by that inspector and is "good to go". Otherwise the work must meet the aircraft's type certificate or other approved basis for that airframe.

As for my old 206, ... Some of those alterations were simply performed by an unscrupulous "mechanic" with no approval basis whatever and the only existing copy was in the aircraft records. I believe that "mechanic" simply filled out 337's and gave them to the previous owner to satisfy the ignorant that the work met an approval basis....when in reality it met NO approval basis...and that he deliberately did not send a copy to FAA-OKC so as to not raise any questions up there. (It had a Cessna 185 engine/prop installation instead of the correct ones. If OKC had been in receipt of that information they doubtless would have considered revoking the Airworthiness Certificate of the airplane and the Repairman certificate of the "mechanic". The owner of the aircraft might have been at risk of fines/penalties as well as any pilot who'd operated that aircraft.) The previous owner had accepted that mechanic's subterfuge thinking it was legitimate, but the OWNER is who is responsible for making certain the aircraft meets it's type design or "approved alternate" design. That mechanic bamboozled him. It cost him plenty when it came time to perfect the sale of that aircraft to me. He jumped through expensive hoops in order to keep the authorities from getting involved in that matter.




Bruce... got any rockets? :twisted:

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I have no idea of Georges age, but I'll bet he was vaccinated many years ago when they still had phonograph needles.
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Re: What is a "337"?

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Thanks George. It is all to true that we get lazy when describing how a repair or modification is approved and simply say "it was done on a 337". I've always felt funny about saying that because an STC is also applied to an aircraft through a form 337.

I will try to be more careful and say field approval rather than 337 from now on.

As for the rockets, I haven't gotten around to asking for a field approval for them. :)
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A 337 is a Twin engine centerline thrust airplane, also known as a "push me pull me, a mixmaster, a suck and blow" Cessna produced this because the skill level of twin pilots was lacking and this was their answer to single engine out taking you to the scene of the accident!

A 336 is a 337 with fixed gear..... sort of like ...... why?????

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O.K. so hypotheticly you have had this airplane for twenty years or so & didn't pay a whole lot of attention to records & such until you joined this group of knowledgeable people in this club ,at whitch time you started crawling around said airplane & realized that there is a virtual notebook of undocumented repairs/mods.What to do then?
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Zreyn wrote:O.K. so hypotheticly you have had this airplane for twenty years or so & didn't pay a whole lot of attention to records & such until you joined this group of knowledgeable people in this club ,at which time you started crawling around said airplane & realized that there is a virtual notebook of undocumented repairs/mods.What to do then?
Well the first thing you probably want to do is keep talking hypothetically though that won't make the plane any more legal. And lets not mix words here. If you can't substantiate that your plane meets the TCDS with STCs or approved repairs or modification then your plane is illegal to fly. Granted it is said that 8 out of 10 airplanes of a ramp could be grounded for paper issues but again that has no bearing on the case. Only you can determine how comfortable you are flying the plane with your knowledge of the maintenance and records.

The next thing is to get your aircraft records from Oklahoma City and compare then with what you have. Hopefully that will fill any holes you have.

If you have modifications with no paperwork figure out what path you need to take to get the paperwork. Once that path is identified you can determine if the modification is worth the hassle and expense of the documentation and if not remove the modification.

How to make the documentation right can take several paths depending on what the modification or repair is. In the case of a repair in many cases it just a matter of a mechanic documenting the repair and the approval source for the repair on a Form 337 and submitting it. This would be the case say if a stock 170 wing was replaced with another stock 170B wing.

Paper work for modifications can take two paths. Is the modification STCd? If so was the right to use the STC purchased or granted to your aircraft from the owner? Do you have the installation instructions for the STC? If you can answer yes to all these questions then executing a form 337 as well as updating the logs is all that is necessary. Problem is that in most cased it is impossible to show someone was given permission by the STC owner to use the STC on your aircraft. In this case you are left with finding and asking the owner for permission which in many cases involves paying for permission and that is if you are lucky enough to even find and communicate with the owner.

If you have a modification that is not STCd. Then you must document the modification and present it for approval. This approval could take minutes or years and involve nothing more that an IA indicating the quality of work to hiring engineers to study the modification.

Here is what happened with two cases on my airplane. My airplane had wing tip strobes installed that were not approved for the 170 but were approved as standard equipment on later 172s. as well as STCd for other aircraft but not the 170. My mechanic and I documented the installation and presented it to the local FSDO Safety Inspector who approve it on the spot. Problem solved.

At the same time we were taking care of the strobe lights I gave the Safety Inspector a completed form 337 for an STCd trim tab system that was not showing up at Oklahoma City. He reviewed the paper work and determined all seem OK and submitted the paperwork. That was when the form 337 was kicked back from Ok City. Seems the person who was the STC owner who signed as the installer was not authorized to do installations and had been investigated previously. In this case my IA only had to inspect the installation against the install instructions to determine modification was installed correctly and a new form 337 filled out and filed. Problem I didn't know I had, solved.
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Well if some of these hypotheticals were say a 172 wing installed with no mention anywhere about it or maybe some sheet metal repairs here & there,would those be IA issues or a bigger deal than the IA could cover?
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Zreyn wrote:Well if some of these hypotheticals were say a 172 wing installed with no mention anywhere about it or maybe some sheet metal repairs here & there,would those be IA issues or a bigger deal than the IA could cover?
Sheet metal repairs must be done following acceptable standards and practices which can be found in AC 43.13 and or the manufacturers (Cessna) repair manual. If you have these types of repairs that are not documented then the IA should inspect them and insure they were done correctly and document the repair. These repairs may or may not be a major alteration. Only major alterations require a form 337 be executed.

Now for the hypothetical 172 wing change that is undocumented. First if it is undocumented I have to ask how you know it is a 172 wing? It would take someone with extremely in-depth knowledge of the differences in manufacture of the 170 and 172 wing and a keen eye to find it. Many people might be satisfied that you really have a 170 wing that looks like a 172 wing and leave it at that. This is what I was talking about that only you can determine your comfort level with the level of knowledge you have.

Suppose you knew for a fact you had a 172 wing and that knowledge just won't allow you to sleep until the paperwork is clear. It is still an IA who is involved. You and the IA would research to find any supporting information there might be and then ask for a field approval. To be more specific you can do all the research but an IA must agree to your findings enough that he will do any inspections and fill out the Form 337. To be honest the hardest thing I've found to do is find an IA willing to get involved.

This is how the l-19 wings were approved on my 170. If you believe my logs my airplane had flown for 50 years with these wings installed and no one seemed to care until the IA for the previous owner said something was wrong. They researched the issue to include documentation from Cessna as to what would be a suitable wing replacement for a 170 and presented that to their FSDO. The IA wrote the Form 337 stating the wings had been changed at some time by persons unknown using acceptable standards and maintenance manuals and the FSDO approved the Form 337. This was in 2001. Today I understand this type of approval would not be approved at the local level without first consulting another more central level of the FAA.
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According to my former FAA PMI ( Primary Maintenance inspector) 337's missing from the 80's were likely a result of the FAA not logging them in to the appropriate aircraft. He said during that time many were literally thrown away when recieved by the FAA.
Of course this wouldn't pass the so what test if your aircraft had some missing, you would still have to get the items redocumented or removed like Bruce said.
I have had to many times during an annual, track down the manufacturer of that nifty EGT, chrome brake dics, cleveland wheels etc, get a copy of the STC and inspect and approve or reject the installation. In the case of the Cleveland wheel and brake conversion, they had been on the A/C about 20 years and were the wrong P/N. Obviously they worked, Cleveland was very easy to work with to obtain a "same as " statement to get diviation approved for the FAA. Brian
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Of course, SOME 172 wings are fairly obvious, for example those with cuffed leading edges. But perhaps it's a 182 wing? Gotta be sure before you go to all the paperwork. Fuel tank installations, etc. can also be clues, as well as assembly markings and actual part numbers stamped on interior parts.
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The hypothetical situation came about in the first place because someone explained the dif on this forum between the two wings.(Where the door stop mounts)so I was just wandering about possible other things that might not be documented.(patches on cowling cracks ect) Needless to say most IA guys prolly wouldn't notice from one wing to the next where the door stops mount anyway. But then these hypothetical IA guys would never notice any doublers on cowling over a twenty year period either.Even if you painted them a diff color,say zinc.So it still comes back to owners responsibility.Right?
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Repairs to cowlings and other non-structural items by use of doublers and patches is not a major alteration and only requires a logbook entry.


Form 337's are NOT to be used for minor repairs or alterations.

The wing replacement (replacement with a different wing) is a major alteration.

Wing replacement with an identical part to an original wing is not a major alteration. It is not a major repair provided no sheet metal is actually repaired/replaced.

For definitions of Major Alterations and Repairs (See section/Appendix A):
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/te ... .363.14.51
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